Holy-War

I just wanted to say that I think people spoil the game by being sore loosers. ELITE just had a battle against an order that reacted like little children. surprising for one of the most powerful christian world 6 orders. their OM was sporting enough, but the AC got fussy, self-righteous, accusatory, and did his best to ruin the battle to the point where he even asked for no support...how lame!

it was far from a perfect battle, I'll admit. these were the problems:

ELITE was allied with Dragon and SoV, who are also allies of our target. This was misconstrued as us intentionally cutting off their support. Apparently people don't realize that WE lost the support the same as them...sad. it's so easy to figure that out but no one managed apparently.

The real reason we attacked them was simple- we wanted a battle, they were EXACTLY the same size as we were, and EVERY other order worth attacking also had one or two of our allies on their list, so why should anyone feel singled out? it would be impossible to find a target that doesn't share a common ally!

Other problems:

I accidentally hired Zhou Yun, a level 27 Dragon who was in the stall for less then 400 gold. first I thought my substitute AC had done it, but realized later it was my mistake. I didn't check the order tag before pressing hire. Granted it was a mistake but hardly worth getting bent out of shape over... 1 level 27 won't turn the tide of a battle. I appologized and had the appology flung in my face. I was accused of being a liar and a cheater. read on... it gets better!

I bent over backwards to make amends for my error. I even PMed DonReality IV, giving him and his order [SoV] FULL permission to join the battle in favor of our opponents. SoV is a powerful order, packing the most powerful christian tixxer in world 6. I told the enemy of my efforts to make amends and was again accused of being a liar- despite the fact that several of SoV were sitting in their camp, and if they had bothered to ask, DonReality IV would have confirmed my story.... this isn't over...

I made a friend of mine temporary AC so he could spy on camp. he went to camp... and disappeared for the next 7 hours, without spying and without returning my post. it made me a bit nervous to not have eyes on the enemy. he returned 7 hours later, and before returning my post as AC, he hired contrarion (another Dragon) and LORD Messiah but he did so without asking for consent and without orders to do so... AGAIN I was blamed, and when I told the story, (I PMed the AC about it in an attempt to come clean) the enemy AC again started slandering in the SB, calling me a liar, and bringing up 2-month old grievances...AGAIN ignoring the fact that I had raised him three times the support that I cost him.

All that to say, ELITE's allies rallied in full force, we SMASHED them, and I wasn't the least bit sorry. Such poor sportsmanship is shameful and childish. Well done to their OM for not stooping to the same level as his AC. I would have stuck to my tradition of congratulating their side for a good fight and being worthy opponents... if I thought that was true. They were NOT worthy opponents, although they had the potential to be. I have always seen a level of respect between opponents, but not that day. I was willing to give them all the respect in the world. too bad they threw courtesy and good fun to the wind. I hope this doesn't become a trend..sad sad sad

Alıntı sahibi "Black Wind"

Publicly you insinuate that I will hire your allies to fight against you. In private messages you apologize.

We went over this thrice and I'm amazed you have the gall to still bring it up. I NEVER insinuated you would hire against us. I said in the SB (with a big smilie) that LM should pull out of stall so IGN doesn't get him. that's nothing against you, and it was half joking anyway...gee, if you bring this one up again, you'll just look deperate.

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I call you out on hiring Zhou Yun in public and you respond in public that you weren't even AC. I apologized to you in public. In private you admit that it was you who hired him "by mistake". The next morning I find yet another member of DRAGON hired "by mistake" and again I hear that you were not AC at the time. I called you a liar because you say one thing in public and something different in private.

and I explained this in the above post, and in 2 PMs which you apparently didn't read...... please read again

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I have no problems with you attacking while our mutual allies sit, that is good tactics. I do have a problem when our mutual allies sit in agreement by all parties and then you hire them to fight for you.

You talk as if it was done deliberately. I explained myself perfectly clear in the first post and if you haven't gotten the point by now... I can't help you.
Just in case you'll get it if I say it again... Zhou Yun was an accident, and contrarian wasn't my doing... gee, move on. I wouldn't have hired contrarion even if she's asked. we didn't need her help, especially for over 2000 gold.

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I publicly declared that if DRAGON and DSOV did not sit I would consider dropping them as allies. I only want allies who will keep their word. I am bound by my word and I expect my allies to be the same. It is a sign of arrogance that you decided to "raise support" for IGNs defense. Once I declared no volunteers were needed, that is that. Who are you to assume you know how to run my order better than me? Once I messaged the other Christian orders to avoid supporting IGN, your trying to get DSOV involved would only do more harm than good.

this is a sad attempt to twist my good intentions and villianize me with them again. I did it in compensation for an error. that's not arrogent. it's called a favor! For you to take what good I do and twist it around to make me look bad for doing it is only gonna make you look lame. I was sorry for my mistake so I tried to make up for it. You can, of course, get judgmental, and assume that I was trying to "run your order," but the truth is much simpler then that. The truth is, I made a mistake and wanted to make it good. DonReality had hinted to me that he wanted to join IGN, so I gave him full permission, stating ELITE would not hold it against him if he did...is that so bad???

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I did not see what my AC said in the SB that was so inflammatory, however, I do not trust your perspective on things. I will ask him. If discipline is in order, I will deliver it.

My mistake again. I thought Cerno was OM and you were AC... my bad...

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Now Im not trying to take sides in this issue because I respect you both and obviously I dont know details, but peoples reactions to battles are a given. There are some that wont say anything and accept it as is, there are some that will complain in the SB non-stop, there are others that choose if it is worthwhile or not to call allies to a battle. Along with that it is always viewed one way or another by the opponents. Obviously both sides will never see exactly eye to eye on the subject so there will be disagreements over who was honorable or not in the fight and so on. Telling people to sit out could easily be viewed as folding over, however it isnt necessarily a bad move if you know you will lose no matter what...why have friends/allies lose 8 or more hours of pay just to heal fully after a battle and instead get maybe 100 gold and some experience.

Either way my main point is that OMs/ACs wont always view things the same when it comes to battles, but there shouldnt be a reason to post it in the forum when it was already public within the respective worlds SB.

Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it.

I must agree with you gamble. it's true that there will be differences of opinion and I can live with that. however I resent that Black Wind can presume to judge my motives and state his interpretaton of them as fact. I have not done so to him and would appreciate the same courtesy. That he called me a liar is not an interpretation- it is a fact. that I am a liar is only hs interpretation of my actions as he cannot proove it. I resent that he immediately assumes the worst

You call that EXTREME INTENTIONS! HAA! leaving options open to out allies in not extreme intentions. ELITE had limited funds and could only have hired a small amount of allies. if they had merced for us, that gives you the right to hire them as well, so what's the issue? I didn't have "extreme intentions" I was leaving all options open and when they said they'd sit out I didn't persue it. I would have hired them more as a favor to them. if they had chosen to merc for us, it would have drained our coffers which would otherwise have been spent on regular mercs... do you see how faulty your logic is?