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Bu mesaj 5 defa düzenlendi, son düzenlemeyi yapan "Jabbar Ibn Hilal" (Dec 2nd 2008, 12:05am)
We went over this thrice and I'm amazed you have the gall to still bring it up. I NEVER insinuated you would hire against us. I said in the SB (with a bigPublicly you insinuate that I will hire your allies to fight against you. In private messages you apologize.
and I explained this in the above post, and in 2 PMs which you apparently didn't read...... please read again
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I call you out on hiring Zhou Yun in public and you respond in public that you weren't even AC. I apologized to you in public. In private you admit that it was you who hired him "by mistake". The next morning I find yet another member of DRAGON hired "by mistake" and again I hear that you were not AC at the time. I called you a liar because you say one thing in public and something different in private.
You talk as if it was done deliberately. I explained myself perfectly clear in the first post and if you haven't gotten the point by now... I can't help you.
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I have no problems with you attacking while our mutual allies sit, that is good tactics. I do have a problem when our mutual allies sit in agreement by all parties and then you hire them to fight for you.
this is a sad attempt to twist my good intentions and villianize me with them again. I did it in compensation for an error. that's not arrogent. it's called a favor! For you to take what good I do and twist it around to make me look bad for doing it is only gonna make you look lame. I was sorry for my mistake so I tried to make up for it. You can, of course, get judgmental, and assume that I was trying to "run your order," but the truth is much simpler then that. The truth is, I made a mistake and wanted to make it good. DonReality had hinted to me that he wanted to join IGN, so I gave him full permission, stating ELITE would not hold it against him if he did...is that so bad???
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I publicly declared that if DRAGON and DSOV did not sit I would consider dropping them as allies. I only want allies who will keep their word. I am bound by my word and I expect my allies to be the same. It is a sign of arrogance that you decided to "raise support" for IGNs defense. Once I declared no volunteers were needed, that is that. Who are you to assume you know how to run my order better than me? Once I messaged the other Christian orders to avoid supporting IGN, your trying to get DSOV involved would only do more harm than good.
My mistake again. I thought Cerno was OM and you were AC... my bad...
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I did not see what my AC said in the SB that was so inflammatory, however, I do not trust your perspective on things. I will ask him. If discipline is in order, I will deliver it.
I must agree with you gamble. it's true that there will be differences of opinion and I can live with that. however I resent that Black Wind can presume to judge my motives and state his interpretaton of them as fact. I have not done so to him and would appreciate the same courtesy. That he called me a liar is not an interpretation- it is a fact. that I am a liar is only hs interpretation of my actions as he cannot proove it. I resent that he immediately assumes the worst
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Now Im not trying to take sides in this issue because I respect you both and obviously I dont know details, but peoples reactions to battles are a given. There are some that wont say anything and accept it as is, there are some that will complain in the SB non-stop, there are others that choose if it is worthwhile or not to call allies to a battle. Along with that it is always viewed one way or another by the opponents. Obviously both sides will never see exactly eye to eye on the subject so there will be disagreements over who was honorable or not in the fight and so on. Telling people to sit out could easily be viewed as folding over, however it isnt necessarily a bad move if you know you will lose no matter what...why have friends/allies lose 8 or more hours of pay just to heal fully after a battle and instead get maybe 100 gold and some experience.
Either way my main point is that OMs/ACs wont always view things the same when it comes to battles, but there shouldnt be a reason to post it in the forum when it was already public within the respective worlds SB.
Thats my 2 cents take it or leave it.
When your friend merc jacked me he only paid 2000g no more, I hope that makes you feel betterI wouldn't have hired contrarion even if she's asked. we didn't need her help, especially for over 2000 gold.
@Sain it wasn't the fact that an ally got cut off from joining the
battle, I expect those tactics to be used. It's hiring your allies
against you that is not cool.
Well since this thread is already hi-jacked. I'll explain a bit more for you Dradaki, since your so upset about that battle.Quoted from "cerno"
@Sain it wasn't the fact that an ally got cut off from joining the
battle, I expect those tactics to be used. It's hiring your allies
against you that is not cool.
Yes those tactics are used, to fight someone you cannot defeat in a fair fight. I call that being cowardly, attacking someone when their allies are already tied up in battle.
TMR, I was clearly marked as I do in all worlds that I merc in, I cut and paste my allies from the order page and state will NOT fight against allies. I heard my fellow Dragon was also clearly marked. Secondly I informed both of Dragon's allies that it was our order policy and terms of our alliance that we sit out of battles when two allies fight. So as you can see Dragon does not fit into your own "general" rule. Actually I have never heard of this rule before you mentioned it.contrarian and the level 27 were merced which still fits that rule
Every order has different policies. Some always sit out. Some will merc individually for the highest bidder. W2 EnR used to have some members that would merc and others that weren't allowed to be hired. Early in TG1, AoD's leaders would negotiate with the two sides, and whoever won the bidding got the exclusive right to hire AoD members for that battle. I think everyone has a responsibility to know their allies' policies before doing anything; you can't just assume that they're the same as your own.i do not see anything wrong with mercing shared allies against the other team
in almost every order, the rule is that if 2 allies fight, you sit it out or merc
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